I've been struggling for years with porn, masturbation, fantasizing etc. I've been single most of my life and I think what triggered it is my loneliness. I was recently praying more and worshiping God in my room because I felt God would eventually answer me. Well yesterday(Sunday) my friend texted me early in the morning and asked me to come to his church. I instantly felt it was God's doing, so I accepted the invention. Sure enough, when I got there the Pastor's message was on deliverance. He talked about how evil spirits or demons rest upon our spirits or souls(i forgot which one) like branches of a tree, when we open ourselves up to them. He also gave a few scriptures, one being (Matt 12:43) which says -When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.He also gave the verse in (Genesis 8:7) where Noah sent out the raven(being satan, or the unclean spirit) and the raven went forth to and fro(like how satan goes to and fro upon the earth) but the raven never returned, it just kept looking for a dry place. The dove represents the Spirit of God, and it went out and came back because there was no water, but finally returned after the second time with an olive branch in her mouth.Later Sunday afternoon I researched more about demons and how they operate and I came across a youtube serious by Derek Prince, and he basically says that there's a spirit of masterbation, lust, etc. He also stated that the spirit of masturbation, when cast out , comes out by leaving through a persons hands. My question is this, I feel like I have learned enough over the past couple of days that I don't want to look at anything that will defile me anymore, and I think I've found deliverance. Could I still have an unclean spirit in me? I don't really think I do because I have progressed in this area and don't feel like I was ever controlled. I feel like I have the power to overcome and nothing can change my mind to give in anymore. I know this was a long one, but I had to explain the whole situation. Thanks for your time.
I think the raven/dove analysis is bogus and not representative of the text in my opinion. There may have been a difference in their nest building habits, but I really don't think there was a moral lesson intended. I respect the late Derek Prince and what he said may have been true for one person and not another. Most people will distinguish between those who have a compulsive habit versus those who are just daily or occasional. While, theoretically, it might not be necessary to masturbate, nearly 100% of males by age 15 will develop this behavior, on average about 8 times per week. About 65% of females have the same habit, though not as often and not till age 20 in terms of regularity. From my experience girls usually start younger than boys, but children of most any age or sex are known to masturbate. There is no reason to consider the act sinful in itself. Thus, I don't believe there is a demon of masturbation, per se, but there are unclean spirits of course. I think those spirits accompany perverse sexual activities and/or obsession with sexuality and sexual behavior. Having a regular masturbation habit is no more perverse than wanting to have sex with your wife on a regular basis. Its an expression of sexual desire; the difference and concern is: is it a healthy expression or is it being twisted or over-stimulated by pornography and is there a porn addiction? These are valid concerns.Obviously, porn and masturbation has been serving you as a substitute for sex which is a God given drive. I think your goal should be to not be a porn addict and find a wife, not to get rid of your sex drive.
First, this is not a question about sin, sin is not evil spirits, it's not religious and it's not Christo-judiao centric, it's human nature. Second, with that in mind: Have you ever heard of external locus of control? It's basically a psychological coping mechanism which allows us to get past the real knitty gritty of dealing with our problems and responsibilities ourselves- this is not a bad thing, persay, it has been necessary for you to keep yourself afloat, likely because of a Narcissitic breach, also psychological term, where your natural assessment of self was impacted severely, and now you have a hard time coping with the appearance of failure. It's quite common to have self abasing feelings geared towards several aspects of the self, including sexual matters, which serve, unintentionally to feed the Narcissism, basically, because you haven't, like so many others of us, been taught how to accept human complexity, and lack of control, perhaps someone in authority severely obstructed your personal associations with success and failure, by imposing concepts you were too young to process, or were in fact unduly yours, perhaps you were blamed for several things that were not your fault, treated with undue assumption for a mistake which left you always the suspect etc, and now, you're unable to accept reasonable blame and failure when it is appropriate and unable to distance yourself from the impact ie, that they do not make you a bad person, nor are they dramatic as they seem, and your personality compensates by believing that all wrongs are others faults and if you could but overcome those who drag you down you would succeed- demons is another forms of this external locus of control, brought on from the cycle of your past, of which narcissism not only creates deflection of blame, but also lends heightened, 'black and white' characteristics which do not highly matter, or do not matter as much or in the elevated sense you are perceiving them. With that in mind, I recommend you do some research, you do some looking into Narcissistic tendancies and their causes, look into counselling. And above all else, minimise the significance you lend to your circumstances, this will help minimise the impact they take in when you occasionally fail, and you need to begin to see sex in different lights, because it is not a dirty thing and if you aren't doing it actively you body will finish itself off in that manner unconsciously. Bottom line is, you're likely not possessed. You've probably been told you can't stop, and if you can't stop this is the sign of bondage- but the thing is if you beat a dog it bights back, if you are kind to the dog but not spoiling it, it will be a friend and an ally. If you constrain your desires too tightly they will harm you, and if you ignore the fact that you are actually being so restrictive with a natural impulse, that you store it up so fanatically that it just errupts in a effusion of stress and escape, then you're always going to feel crappy because you're doing the impossible and you're doing it in a disobedient light, you're holding what, well, you believe god made to be contemptuous, and you're willingly believing it is so, despite a claim at belief. Again this is something to seek counselling for. People will judge you for what they deem is weakness, what they think is not you relying on God, well fuck them, your health is the only thing that will allow you one day to laugh at them for their weakness and then help them with their injury. And don't go thinking that 'you've expelled' these demons, take it from someone who is always horny, even the risk of stds and knowing what the porn industry is will not keep a lonely fellow from wanting sex and seeking it- but recognising that you are the only one who can control that, getting into a place where your perception is healthy and balanced and more practical then 'demon cures' is the only way to both solve your problems and get down with yourself. Down with, not on.
Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh (Gal. 5:16).
I could make some comment about the behavior of ravens, but it's really pointless - the whole story of sending out the bird is completly ridiculous. Even if one of the birds were to return, it wouldn't be any use as a navagational aid. No landmarks. All it could do is confirm land is out there, somewhere - and for that, you'd be better off using a plumb line to monitor depth. The plumb line is an ancient tool, so whoever wrote the story apparently didn't know anything about seafaring.
I forgot to change the title before posting, oops. @Miracle Man I think I put alot on myself, because I'm the kind of person who wants to do the right thing. I know sex is natural, but I want to make God happy. My flesh doesn't really want to do right, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know if it's Narcissitic, or related to what you're describing, but I had a relationship with a lesbian where I thought she was the one, because I thought I was her match. We dated without having any physical contact, and broke up and just became friends. I felt that God wanted me to pray and intercede for her and that she would be set free. I tought it was the right thing to do, but I must have been acting selfishly and trying to make something happen based off my feelings. I'm really still fighting this because I still care and have feelings for her. I tried to ignore her after a while because it was just to tough being around her, knowing I had feelings for her and knowing she was hiding her relationship with someone else in order to please our friendship. I would always go on her facebook to see what she was up to and it became an obsession. I always felt I should keep fighting for her. But I think it could just be some sort selfishness, even though I mean well.
Love is always selfish. Umberto Eco, a much more intelligent man than I once said 'Love is exclusive, and limited, we want only that person and them to want only us. Hate on the other hand is universal and warming.' Your flesh certainly does want what is good, one of the most important things to be aware is that everything that happens by impulse is usually the good, where it goes wrong is where it has too much of it. Fat people don't get large because they shouldn't be hungry. Most other forms of human capriciousness is intentional, or unconscious. Alcoholics and junkies talk about the moment of clarity for a reason and it happens everywhere, and it's very hard to predict where and to whom it will happen. Not a bit of evil on this earth happens for evil's sake, which is what makes it so dangerous- even those who commit slavery, or ruin economies, somewhere, many of them believe as the Greeks did, some people are made to be slaves, those who are in the area of hurt or disadvantage are stupid and it is just natural for them to suffer under more 'reasonable' people, still others would say. It is a mental sedative, it turns the conscience off, and there is not much consciousness without a conscience. You urges take place wihtout your conscious input, you'll get boners at the worst times, so that your dick will stay alive, not just because you're lusting- and you will get horny because, well, anything can trigger that, from a smell you don't detect, to just as much as running water and toilets inspire the urge to pee, these are all not consciously culpable, just as grief isn't- there are still songs I cannot listen to because of my past relationships, that grief is unpleasant but it's good, it happens without my in put, it's a matter of whether or not I undulge in it to a crippling stage, though that doesn't mean I don't sigh, or often weep or get furious with the circumstances. Treat this like any other interest, when you want to watch a movie, when you crave your favourite candy bar etc. You don't feel shame over those things, and while they're in different cases of seriousness, fundamentally on a philosophical level, they're the same thing, the creative, whether enjoying it or involving in it. Unless you're unstable, you wouldn't feel sinful for wanting to create something deep inside you, this is not always a conscious urge, even while participating, though how it is expressed will eventually and usually become so. Listen to your body, and do not impugn it, ultimately, because, you believe in God, I am no longer do, but whatever it is, if there is anything to life or anything coursing through it, the first experience of it is through the body, and I do know that worshipping God, whatever that is is loving and serving people in charity and grace, which by the way, you also happen to be, so start with yourself, going easy on yourself, understanding yourself, which means not stifling your urges and how you feel, but also understanding that every study has a standard of control which has to be established in order to produce correct results, or if not correct, than at least useful knowledge.
Sorry to hear you don't believe in God. That sounds like you're defeated. I put my trust in God and his word, so I can't just listen to my flesh. The right thing for me to do is fight against my flesh and draw closer to God and overcome this.
Except that god, according to you, gave you your flesh- you're reading into things too severely, a little neo-platonism is creeping in, telling you your body is impure, but look to Acts 'Who are you to say what the Lord has made is unclean, now slay and eat.' Paul's letter here doesn't actually refer to your body or your skin, he talks about something dead, a dead weight, the 'sarx', if he meant the body in general he likely would have used the Greek word Bios if he meant that something was wrong with your soul etc he would have used the Greek word 'psyche'. Look at the context here and consider Paul's Jewishness here- nothing under creation is fundamentally unclean to a Jew, gentiles were unclean, because they worshiped idols, the root of all sin and disobedience, most animals that are unclean are considered so because they featured in pagan worship, some because they were filthy, some because they came from the realm of demons, that is large bodies of water and the sea. But fundamentally nothing is unclean, and gentiles could be redeemed to not worship idols and serve God. So consider these things, if creation is good because it is god made. Second, if Paul is talking about being spiritually dead, this doesn't apply to the body, because, lo and behold, you're quite alive. So if he uses 'sarx' a word meaning dead skin, ie, the flesh is always dead, then he can't actually mean the material, he's talking about a concept a desire a propensity which isn't confined to sex, 'go and multiply and subdue the earth'- 'a man should leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and become one flesh', 'It is not good that the man should be alone', 'They should not be apart for long lest they be tempted into licentiousness.' 'If they burn with passions let them be married and avoid the sins of adultery.' 'That neither should deprive the other of their duties.' Look at it this way, you believe God made you and your body, he gave it those urges, he gave them too you to have ravenous sex with someone you love. But then that same God tells you that these urges are bad, essentially, naturally and characteristically wrong? That makes no sense. Next you'll tell me, well because of sin, they're evil and our nature has changed. Ok, we'll go with this, you're born in sin, ok, who made you? Still God, you're a sinner, who made you? Still God. You're a sinner, your sins defy God, ok, does that change how God makes you? Why? Does that change how God makes anything? Why? Are you saying your sins confound the all powerful master of the universe that they rule everything he does and that, because you are a sinner, he would make you to be sinful by nature then punish you for doing these things? Why? Are you saying God doesn't know what he is doing and made you do evil things, like want to have sex for the intrinsic evil of it? God made your body, to lust, to love, to desire, and you're telling me that because of this, to enjoy that or live it out is wrong and burdensome? You're telling me that, to do anything with that, rather than control it give it some breathing room, and enjoy it every once in a while and once you find someone, to enjoy more frequently in community, is wrong? How are you ever going to redeem this out of a marriage, you'll be stuck wondering how you must have screwed up being evil with the evil God gave you and that's why the sex sucks without having to work at it. Following god is self examination as much as it is exploration of God, I don't know who has told you there's no point to that examination because your urges are fundamentally evil rather than serious and powerful, but they're a liar and an idiot and they've trapped you in bullshit, get out of it.
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