GENERAL: What i want to do.
  • JERMJERM April 2007

    So I'm only 15 years old but my goal in life is to become a Youth Pastor. It something that I personally want to do. but i also feel Gods pull in my life for me to become one also. I've had people with Words from God come up to me personally and tell me that I was Going to bacome a Pastor of some sort. My question is. What do I have to do and change in my life to become a Youth Pastor?Jerm. 

  • AdamRawkzAdamRawkz April 2007

    Well do you know what your gifts are?Honestly if you want to be a youth pastor start acting one.  The best youth pastor I've come in contact was a man in my congregation who wasn't paid but he cared for teens and helped us in any way he could.   

  • TerryTerry April 2007

    I'm not exactly sure what your asking, but you don't have to do anything special to become a pastor.  I would say what you need to do is, do your best to serve, listen to, and obey Him.  A pastor is first and formost a Christian.  I'm not saying to take this call lightly, take it with great respect, and passion.  Something else that would be really helpful is to find a pastor to be your mentor.  I've been pastoring for 9 years, and one core belief that has helped me through is, "It's all about people"

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    True it is all about people. . . and Adam. what do you mean by gifts. You could take that in a couple of different ways. Such as. . . I'm good at helping people with or coming through there problems. Or you can mean what my spiritual gifts are like Speaking in tongues and being a strong prayer worrior.Jerm.P.s. all those things i mentioned i can do and am good at. lol 

  • no+more+pornno more porn April 2007

    JERM - Though I have lost the link, there are tests you can take that help you identify your spiritual gifts.  I was a bit surprised at first when I discovered what mine are.  But it also helps me to decide what to volunteer for at church.  If they need someone to lead a class, I'm not the guy for that.  If they need someone to do physical labor, I'm all over that.  If they need someone to be part of a prayer team, sign me up!  If they need someone for the band, don't even think of asking me!  :) 

  • ecclesiastesecclesiastes April 2007

    Never become arrogant, or think you know it all (whether it is about the Bible, preaching, or pastoral care). Cultivate humility, and learn from the senior pastor role models in your life.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    thanks. :)haha. an online test. weird. and I am very involved in my church. So i think thats the right path to follow. Jerm. 

  • AdamRawkzAdamRawkz April 2007

    I wouldn't take an online test.Go here.  Listen to the sermons on spiritual gifts.  They are slightly long but you will know a lot about spiritual gifts when you're done.www.media.marshillchurch.comclick sermonsclick I Corinthians You'll find it. 

  • Guitar+GuyGuitar Guy April 2007

    Heh, we're much the same. I wish to be a musician and youth pastor, but I wonder about this struggle, a lot. Bugs me every day, although I haven't gratified in a few days, meaning two. I have a real filter on, I have X3, and I take the Setting Captives Free site. I don't mean to imply that you are a horrible person for doing so, or you don't love God, but if you truly believe this is Gods calling, start taking the love and breath and feast deeply into scripture to fill your lust for lust and sin. Gos it he only one that can cure you, but it's not easy, it's a daily struggle. And that's all you need to think of it  as. When I think of maintaining pure for the rest of my life it seems ridiculous, but when I just think of "let's get past today." It makes it easier. But sir, all I have to offer is that you feast and breath deeply into Christ to know more, and grow in him. And as James says draw near to him and he will draw near to you. I'm Jake, and I'll pray for you.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    Hey Jake, Thanks for the advice. Hey. You seem like a really cool guy. If you ever wanna talk send me an E-mail at Slackerkid554@yahoo.com . . . I would enjoy talking to you. Jerm.

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    I'm in the same boat, though older, and now going to Bible school.l ;P First thing I found very helpful that has already been mentioned is taking certain tests that help you to discover your gifts and personality traits.I highly suggest the Myer's Brigg personality test and a spiritual gifts test that I've taken twice, and found to be excelent (recommended by professors and pastors) by Peter Wagner that you can find here: http://www.gospellight.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GL&Product_Code=08307.36948. Understanding who you are and who you are NOT is the first key.Second, something my pastor personally told me. To be able to preach, read your Bible at least 50 times before preaching to a congregation. If you haven't read it through once, than if you're sure about this, now is the time to start. I personally follow a plan that leads me to read the Bible through every 2 months (60 days). Other than that, you gotta listen to what God is telling you. Day to day, month to month.After one step is done, ask what the next is, and watch for open doors.Get a hold of a pastor that can mentor you one on one too. I've been doing that, and it's the best thing I've ever done.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    thanks man.

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    That's woman to you. ;P

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    O crap are you serious. I'm sorry. lolI'm stupid so i pretty much assume everyone is a guy on here. Cause there are hardly any ladys. sorry about that.Jerm. 

  • no+more+pornno more porn April 2007

    Jerm, I'm stupid too!  ;)  I've made that mistake a couple of times.  I think it's because we men think we are the only one who struggle with porn.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    Yeah. we stupid people are in this together. lol. Just kidding. were not that stupid.

  • no+more+pornno more porn April 2007

    No, we aren't stupid ... just human and prone to make mistakes!  But that doesn't stop us from trying to do better!  :)

  • poeticbluepoeticblue April 2007

    there are more of us than you think.women that is.SetinWorship: where do you go to school?i want to be  pastor (eventually) too.not a youth pastor though.i had never heard the words youth pastor until i was about seventeen

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    I've never seen an effective 45 year old youth pastor.  Do you know what to prepare for later in life?

  • no+more+pornno more porn April 2007

    Okay, what is a youth pastor?  Would that be different than our director of youth ministries that we have at our church? 

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    wait not to be sexist or anything but. Can women be Pastors? I thought only men could.

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    Jerm, that's sexist, no matter how you try to paint it.  Whether they "can" be pastors is a matter of church denominations and their viewpoints.  Some believe women can be pastors and ordain women.  Some believe only men are called to pastor, and they do not ordain women.  If you want a purely fundagelical approach, women pastors are out!  Of course, fundagelicals pick and choose which parts of the Bible to apply, so Foursquare fundagelicals accept women pastors, whereas Southern Baptists (yay, slavery!) do not.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    um ok. Gosh. I only said it cause I've never seen a women pastor before.

  • no+more+pornno more porn April 2007

    Jerm, don't lat PF get to you.  My advice, try to ignore him.  He is of the opinion that only he undstands the bible and that he is above the rest of us and can call us names.  He loves to use the word "fundegelical", and I'm sure he uses it often in an attempt to get a rise out of people.  He lives on conflict ... especially if you don't agree with his warped teachings.  He has a following here on this site, which I can't explain. 

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    Yeah i no what you mean. Thanks. lol

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    So NMP, are you saying that there is not controversy in the church over whether women can be pastors?

  • Guitar+GuyGuitar Guy April 2007

    First Timothy makes it quite clear. And there is controversy, but I only wonder why.

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    Poeticblue, I go to school in Manhatten, New York. NYC.JERM, biblically, I believe, yes, you can definately have a woman pastor. Up here in NYC you see many. Now other denominations and, I'd say, incorrect interpreations of the Biblical text will tell you that no, we can not.Don't worry about the misunderstanding. And I'll forgive the "I only thought men could" comment. For now.;)

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    haha. sorry if it offended you.Jerm. 

  • chargersfanchargersfan April 2007

     There is a controversy in the church of whether women should be pastors.  The Bible through I Timothy 3:2 says that a pastor must be the HUSBAND of ONE WIFE.  From God, through His word - the Bible - it clearly states that only men are pastors.Women should be allowed to hold positions such as childrens minister in the church, though, but not pastor.  Women should ONLY minister to women, not pastor men and not men & women.Women can be pastors, but women who are pastors are not obeying God completely.  So, no women should not be pastors.PF and his followers pick and choose what they believe is right and wrong from the Bible as he seems to be choosing not to believe I Timothy 3:2, so he seems to be guilty of what he accuses evangelicals to be guilty, though evangelicals are not guilty of it.So Jerm and no_more_porn, you are correct in not listening to PF and his followers.  Instead, continue to listen to God and His word - the Bible.  Also, continue to give ALL your heart, soul, and mind to Christ our Saviour.I am saying this being a woman of God myself.

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    Me picking and choosing?  I'm afraid not.  You're the one that says women can't be pastors, yet you let them speak in church!  Do you speak out against braided hair and gold jewelry?  Do you also recommend your members take a little wine for their stomachs as commanded in God's word (also Timothy, I believe.)  If you don't, what is your justification for picking and choosing?

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.  11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. I don't see how a woman can be a children's pastor.  She is not even to speak in church.But a woman will be saved through childbearing (those barren women are doomed to hell.)15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.And give up water in favor of wine.  It's commanded.23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.  Why do you pick and choose which of these you will obey?

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    Guitar Guy my dear, whenever you say "makes it clear" in according to the Bible, be sure you are using correct exegesis and hermeutics and that you also know what those words means, when in connection to readinging any biblical text 

  • poeticbluepoeticblue April 2007

    My mentor is an awesome reformed minister...a pastor that is...i know if i get i not this arguement my inner jersey girl is gonna come out.set in worship: you live in manhattan? i live in jersey. i actually tyed my response from a cafe off union square park yesterday

  • chargersfanchargersfan April 2007

    9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. I do dress modestly.  I do not braid my hair nor gold nor pearls nor expensive clothes.  I do not wear make-up, neither.  I do follow those verses.  These verses apply to the culture, as well.  11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach OR to have authority OVER a MAN; she must be silent.It is clear from the verses that women can not teach men, but it does not say anything about women teaching women and women teaching children, so women are allowed to be children ministers and allowed to minister to other women, but not to men.23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. This is where you are leaving out information.  To drink a little wine was to help sickness.  It does not hurt to drink a little wine as long as one remains sober and does not get drunk with wine.  I drink a glass of wine when can afford to buy it.  So, no, I am not picking and choosing.But seeing as you did not read and understand verses 11 and 12 above, yes, you did/do pick and choose.I do not pick and choose what I will obey.  As you obviously picked and chose from your post about verses 11 and 12, then why do you pick and choose what is right and wrong from the Bible to justify what you believe? 

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    You absolutely are picking and choosing.  Women are to remain SILENT!  You have made an exception for teaching other women and children that is not in the text.  The command to be silent for women is also repeated in 1 Cor.Then you add to the text to avoid the command not to drink water, but wine.  You say I leave things out, but there is nothing in the text suggesting what you claim.  You are adding to the text.  Do you drink water?  The command to drink wine is not just for those who can "afford" it.  You are absolutely inconsistent in your interpretation of the text.On the other hand, I am consistent. Both the command concerning women and the command to drink wine were addressing Timothy's situation and his culture.  The underlying principles are still valid, but the application of those principles in today's culture is different.  Paul, or rather the author claiming to be Paul in this instance, wants Timothy, as a young minister, to have success and is addressing some specifics to Timothy that are hindering his success.  Even though Paul recognizes women are equal, appointing them as teachers in his time period was too drastic of a difference from culture.  Paul's command has nothing to do with the inherent qualities of women.  I am consistent in looking at the cultural and historical background and interpreting the text.But if you really do believe the text as you claim you do, why are you trying to teach me?  You are a woman, I am a man. 

  • pjpj April 2007

    Like me, my wife is a minister.  Obviously, she is of the opinion that women should be ministers!  But, she is also of the conviciton that women should not be senior pastors (head minister, whatever) and that they should be in the supportive staff.  Like her, I would agree that women are effective pastors to have in place following a church split or another situation where healing for a congreation is needed, but only for a time.  pj

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    Why "only for a time?"  Why not senior pastors?  What is inherent in women that makes them unsuitable for the job?

  • pjpj April 2007

    Their ovaries. 

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    I'm confused.  You think ovaries are a deficit?  Or is that the way a male dominated society spins it because they are jealous that they cannot create life inside their bodies (see Karen Horney).

  • pjpj April 2007

    sorry, tongue was firmly planted in cheek.

  • poeticbluepoeticblue April 2007

    i have a friend who only has one ovaryis she more fit to pastor than i am? ;)

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    So what's your real answer, pj?

  • IndianaIndiana April 2007

    Okay, the fundies here are going to be pleased because this thread has done it for me. If there are seriously people out there who are still pushing the idea that women are not allowed to minister in church then I just plain give up. What is the point of arguing complicated subjects like evolutionary science and sexual politics with misogynists, most of whom appear to be barely 20 years old?Sorry PF, IGU et al, between these heinous new forums and the influx of people who think discrimination against anyone who isn't a straight, white male is God's will, I can't handle this place anymore. It's making me despair for the future, and wasting too much of my time with people who aren't worth it. I'm outta here.PS. Chargersfan, NMP, etc. I'm one of those posters you probably didn't expect to be a female.

  • pjpj April 2007

    All kidding aside, I do think that it is okay for women to be in ministerial positions.  First of all, my wife has been in active ministry positions for the past seven years, and in terms of ability and talents she meets or surpasses any of my male peers.  Secondly, I think there is a Scriptural basis for women in ministry. In the book of Acts the church open to women.  Women were praying with the apostles prior to Pentecost (Acts 1:12-14).  On the day of Pentecost Peter proclaimed the dawning of a new day in which God’s spirit would empower men and women to speak and teach God’s message (Acts 2:17-18).  Priscilla was one of Apollos’ teachers (Acts 18:26).  Philip had four daughters who were prophets (Acts 21:9).Also, in the sixteenth chapter of Romans, Paul mentions numerous women in active and prominent roles in the church. The first is Phoebe who served as a deacon in Cenchreae (vs. 1-2). Priscilla is called his fellow worker (vs. 3-4).  Mary is mentioned as diligent worker in the church at Rome (v. 6). Junia, a woman, is a called an apostle (v.7 see NKJV).  Three women—Tryphena, Tryphosa, and Persis—are mentioned as hard workers for the Lord (v. 12).That is my basis for women in ministry.  Plus, my wife is really hot, and if she tells me women should be in ministry I'll agree with her. 

  • pastorfreudpastorfreud April 2007

    So now I'm waiting to see what Charger's Fan has to say since she is in a minority position on this issue.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    My opinion is that Women can lead as Childrens pastors and such, but i think that Men are supposed to be Senior and Youth Pastors.Jerm.

  • JERMJERM April 2007

    Cool. My youth Pastor said he would help me on my road to becoming a YP. He told me hes excited for me. :)Yay!Jerm. 

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    PF you suck. You got to it before me. =(JERM, that's almost sick, really. I get upset when people say all we're good at is teaching kids. In other words, we belong at home making kids. And since we're so good at that, we can do it in church too. I'm sorry, but this is 2007, women are working, and most of the time the men are the ones too coward to be a man and stay with her. They just screw her, get her pregnant, and leave. Yeah, men are more capable.*ahem* Forgive that. But really, it's an unreasonable, and purely unbiblical bias. Physically, mentally, emotionally, and especially spiritually, we are as capable, as women, to lead a flock as men are.  

  • SETinWorshipSETinWorship April 2007

    And poetic blue, you can't be far from me. No I don't live in Manhattan, I live in Queens, but I'm a five minute subway ride from there. You go to college? 

  • Hey JermI wish you all the best with your future. Your honesty is challenging me to ask myself 'how am i best equipped to serve?' and 'what am i going to do about it?' I'd appreciate prayer to discern the best course for today and the most realistic long term plan. Maybe I should finish having counselling before I decide - I may be a bit different then.Maybe I should pray about being a church leader one day? I'll offer it to God and see what wisdom comes along. I'm definitely considering having counselling training at some point.PF, really good to hear your views on the men women in church thing. D'you remember I set up a question about that once but I didn't get to particiapte when the change went over? We also had a bit of a chat goin on about some other stuff - can't remember what now. I find your views on this topic quite helpful. I've been pro women speaking in church - there's no good reason that I can see against it - except for what it says in the bible. So I've found myself in the uncomfortable position of doing what I see to be right but with a bit of a fear that it's not what God wants. I reckon it's better to do that than follow with blind obedience, doing what's in the bible just cos it says so there. But what you say here makes sense, that the bible was written in the culture of the day. For instance, saying that women can even listen to teaching was pretty radical - didn't the jews say that women couldn't learn? Isn't that the point of the Martha Mary bit in luke 10? If we disregard this cultural factor, then it would seem that the bible advocates slavery. Obviously it's better not to have slavery - my common sense and conscience testify to it. 

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