GENERAL: What's wrong with masturbation?
  • laxlax January 2008

    Here is a very short response to Pastor Steve from Pastor Lax:Sexuality was not created for personal enjoyment but as a way to express love to one’s mate.Okay, there is some truth in that statement — I think most Christians would agree that sex is fundamentally about expressing love to your marriage partner. But I think its unfortunate when Christians write things like 'Sexuality was not created for personal enjoyment', which gives the impression that God is a killjoy. God made sex to be personally enjoyable too.Masturbation is self-centered behavior.As is eating food, breathing air, enjoying a movie, going on a holiday, etc, etc.Jesus expressly calls His followers to deny themselves.So stop going to the movies people — that's a much easier place to start than masturbation.Masturbation is driven by lust and fantasy.Yes, in most cases that's probably right. But which is the sin, the masturbation or the lustful fantasy?Masturbation causes a person to isolate from others.So does going to the toilet — for a few minutes anyway.Masturbation is controlling.Okay, if you find yourself masturbating for the third time that day and it's not even enjoyable, it's safe to say you are addicted to the behaviour — that it's controlling you. If this is the case then it's a real problem. But you could say the same thing about eating food… if your eating is out of control you've got problems. That doesn't make eating a sin.Masturbation causes feelings of guilt and shame—clear signs of its wrongness.No. Wrong. Some people feel guilty about experiencing pleasure of any sort. God gave us each a conscience to help us determine right from wrong, but if we are given the wrong programming as we grow up, our moral database can become corrupted. Masturbation is a disputable issue since the Bible never specifically mentions it. However, many Christians like Pastor Steve tell us it is sinful in no uncertain terms. Is it any wonder then that people feel so much guilt and shame surrounding the practice?Masturbation opens the door to other sexual sin.Only if it's out of control (see response to 'Masturbation is controlling' above.)

  • Hew+FullerHew Fuller January 2008

    lax, are you saying masturbation is a sin?

  • laxlax January 2008

    No Hew… that's not what I'm saying. I'm disagreeing with those who say it's always a sin. I agree that it usually goes hand in hand with sin… for example it's probably what ends a pornography viewing session for most people, and in that context it is contributing to the lustful fantasy and cementing the addiction. However, if it is used as a release for built up sexual tension, I see no problem with doing it and enjoying it. Sexual sins are dealt with in great detail in the Bible and yet there is no mention of masturbation. My reading suggests that the act is not, of itself, sinful.

  • Hew+FullerHew Fuller January 2008

    Alright, I knew what you meant.I was just being ridiculous. Sorry.Are you really a pastor?

  • laxlax January 2008

    Will it affect your opinion of me if I am not? :)

  • ILikeZCarsILikeZCars January 2008

    Haha, pastor Lax.... You don't really buy that do you Hewie? Or was that just another one of your jokes?... :p I was going to comment on Pastor Steve's opinion and then I thought no, maybe this sucker will just die and sink. The main thing I was going to point out about sir Steve's little spill was that he alluded to the bible but never quoted it or gave any references. If people want to merely resort to reasoning they can do that on their own...

  • Hew+FullerHew Fuller January 2008

    I didn't even see what pastor Steve said!!!lax, if you're not really a pastor, I don't know what I'm going to do...I might just... I don't know.... oh no... oh my gosh! ... No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hew+FullerHew Fuller January 2008

    Are you guys saying that masturbation is almost always a sin?

  • laxlax January 2008

    Hew… give it a few days… a week… a month if you have to…You will wake up during the night with a stiffy so hard you could hold up a bank with it…Then think about England and go for it!

  • laxlax January 2008

    Was that easier to understand? :)

  • Hew+FullerHew Fuller January 2008

    Oh dear.I don't understand you people.Pastors...

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